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Episode 6 - Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken

21 May 2015

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Synopsis: Sansa marries Ramsay and Reek is forced to watch. Baelish arrives in Kings Landing lobbying to become Warden of the North. Ser Loras is tried before a synod and he and Margaery are imprisoned in front of Lady Olenna. Jaime, Bronn and the Sand Snakes fight over Myrcella before being captured. Tyrion and Jorah are captured by pirates and convince them to take them to Meereen. Arya discovers that she is not ready to become a faceless person.

The Good: This was another solid episode with all the stories remaining interesting and intriguing.

The Bad: But I don’t feel any of them land unreservedly in the good.

The Unknown: Arya’s transformation was fascinating but disturbing. Shedding one’s identity to become a super-assassin was never going to be a painless process. But to see her being beaten by Jaqen or giving false hope to a sick girl were unsettling scenes. I’m not sure if the water is meant to be a placebo or is actually poisoned. But either way Arya is now part of a sort of organ harvesting facility. Presumably the great pillars of human flesh are where the faceless men get their new identities. It’s all pretty dark stuff and I doubt that casual viewers want to see anything more than Arya kicking ass. But ideas with this depth require more complex emotions and I hope the writers can deal with that.

Jaqen inferring that Arya did care for the Hound was a nice moment. It certainly fits with my interpretation that she left him to die because he’d come off her list.

I have similar but different misgivings about seeing so much of Sansa’s wedding night. My issues with the Red Wedding were not about bad people triumphing over good. It was more to do with the fact that such unpleasant brutality demanded that Walder Frey, Roose Bolton and Tywin Lannister should become major hate figures within the show whose heads viewers should demand. Otherwise why did we need to see such visceral, gory murders? There are a dozen ways in which we could have been shown or informed that Ramsay treated Sansa poorly on their first night together. But the producers chose a very direct and rape-like way to do it. They even gave us poor Theon’s agonised face as a visual aid to what we should be feeling. The only reason to present the scene that way is to make us hate Ramsay’s guts and want to see him brought to justice. This can’t be justified on the grounds that “life was hard back then.” I don’t mind sitting through hateful things if they are vital to the plot. But between the Red Wedding and the Mountain squashing the Viper and Jaime raping Cersei and the renegade Nights Watchmen molesting Craster’s wives etc...I have my doubts about this. Now perhaps Stannis or Little Finger or Reek or Brienne are episodes away from killing Ramsay. Does that make this scene more justified? Yes in certain ways. But I hardly needed more reason to hate Ramsay. And from a purely television viewer perspective it might make Ramsay’s demise more predictable and less exciting. I’m not saying it will. But right now I feel trapped between either he dies and so I have to accept Sansa being raped. Or he survives and I’m outraged that they exploited such a visceral image just because they knew it would make me upset. I hope you can appreciate the nuances involved. I didn’t put this scene in “The Bad” but I can’t put it in “The Good.” The shows track record makes that impossible.

I wondered half way through the episode if Cersei really was as stupid as Joffrey and it would seem so. Just like her son (executing Ned Stark) she seems determined to destroy an alliance and risk civil war. When Baelish aided in the assassination of the King I suspected that this was what he wanted. Now it seems he also wants to be Warden of the North. His plan to burn the Kingdom down and rule the ashes is progressing nicely. I assume he was behind the candid testimony of his brothel manager.

I totally believe Cersei’s motives for all of this. She always wanted to rule in her own right. She always dismissed the claims of other houses and wished to destroy her enemies. But surely she’s not this stupid? She is a fool for provoking the Tyrell's while Jaime is off poking the Dornish and the North is apparently in rebellion. I assume she knows about Dany and the dragons? Does she not care about the kingdom's safety? Again I’m not placing this in “The Bad.” The Queen of Thorns was fantastic and Tommen remains in a terrible bind. But I hope we get some sense from Cersei how she thinks she can manage this situation.

Both the Jorah-Tyrion and Jaime-Bronn plots suffered from being condensed. The battle in the Water Gardens was a bit silly. Both sides sneak in, fight ineffectually and then get arrested. If there had been a big party going on or some other kind of distraction this would have been more plausible. Jaime might as well have just introduced himself to the Prince and asked nicely for his “niece” back if this is the extent of his planning. It undermines the character for him to be so cavalier considering he lost his hand the last time he was in captivity. Similarly Jorah and Tyrion were captured and begging for their lives so quickly that I’d forgotten why they couldn’t tell the pirates who they were. Then once we were reminded that Dany would execute slavers we got a quick info dump about the Fighting Pits and hey presto Tyrion claims Jorah can fight. Again it was contrived and convenient. And what exactly is the plan? They force Jorah to pretend he’s a free man and fight for them in the pits? Couldn’t he just run away?

If Baelish is allowed to head north again and bring troops from the Vale to Winterfell at the same time as Stannis arrives then we are in for one of the greatest showdowns in the show’s history. But I shouldn’t get too excited. There’s no guarantee he will do that or that the Knights of the Vale would follow his orders. Though I suppose Robin could be talked into leading them there.

Will the pirates catch greyscale now that they’ve touched Jorah? Wouldn’t Baelish’s brothel manager be imprisoned for admitting to fornication?

Best Moment: Lady Olenna’s no nonsense dealing with Cersei was enjoyable and refreshing. As was her comment about the smell of King’s Landing. That’s entirely accurate historically by the way. Modern sewers are much underrated.

Conclusion: Once again the show seems to veer into unpleasant voyeurism when it doesn’t need to.



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    A very thoughtful podcast guys!
    I agree that the GOT TV show does have a problem at times in dealing with conveying intentions and feelings with some characters that does have an impact on the importance of actions they take as they are occurring. Having read only the first book I personally have found this is the biggest obstacle the show has had to overcome from the source material. As it has been brought up by Roberto before, the chapters in the books are laid out as character point of view chapters with loads of thoughts we don’t get in the show. More importantly, as you have brought up Robin, in the TV Show that doesn’t matter. A good show should find away to make these intentions clear to give characters and events the impact that they deserve. Otherwise, for me (an average viewer), the results can be received as either confusing (Cersei’s actual agenda with the Tyrells); weaker than intended (Tywin’s death scene) or different from what the show runners were striving for (Cersei/Jaime Rape Scene); or shocking , apparently gratuitous ; with no established other point (Sansa rape scene.) If you are repeatedly referencing source materials to fill in information that is missing from a TV show then you are missing the point of TV Show discussion.
    The characters that stick out the most for me:
    Problem: It was never clear to me if Tywin really wanted to kill Tyrion did or if he was forced to sacrifice Tyrion only due to the circumstances. This mattered for me.
    Treatment: The biggest problem was he always kept his true feelings and motivations to himself. He rarely had anyone he bounced his feelings off of. Tywin did make it clear to Tyrion that he loved him merely because he was an extension of his blood line and despised him for what he was in an earlier episode.
    Consequence: I felt I didn’t know if Tywin was acting out a plan he had all along (Tyrion final dies! And Tyrion beat him to the punch) or just following the rules of Trial by Combat (and he genuinely had mixed feelings about Tyrion’s sentencing because his bloodline is stopped, however he no longer has to deal with Tyrion and Tyrion kills his father which gives us tragedy and Tyrion a perceived vengeance.)
    Problem: I do know her actions are guided by the prophecy of her fate disclosed by a witch as a child. It’s not clear if that is what’s clouding her judgment and/or her poor ability delegate power to others that will help her wield power the most effectively and/or her impulsive and poor ability to make sound decisions herself. It is not clear to me how she feels about the following prophecies that now have mostly come to pass:
    ‘You will never wed the prince. You will wed the king. The king will have 20 children and you will have three… Gold will be their crowns; gold their shrouds.’
    Does she think the prophecies are inevitable or that she can out think them? She’s definitely worried about Myrcella. Is she also worried about Tommen or has her obsession with the last unfulfilled prophecy short sighted her of his possible fate with the Synod (the son of incest)? ‘You'll be queen. For a time. Then comes another, younger, more beautiful, to cast you down and take all you hold dear.’
    Is she just being impulsive and doesn’t fully examine the possible consequences of all her actions with focusing on getting rid of Margaery for her own loss of power and not Dany?
    Treatment: She has used Jaime to share her feelings about things in the past so we have gotten some of her intentions and thought processes a little that way; however Jaime is off in Dorne right now. We don’t have Jaime around to say to Cersei ‘What the heck are you doing with the Tyrells and reinstating the Faith Militant?? Are you out of your mind??’
    Consequence: King’s Landing will fall to either Stannis or Dany (if you believe the prophecy it will be Dany). Since we are not 100% sure Cersei thinks the beautiful Queen is Margaery, if Dany comes along the shock to Cersei will have less impactful Irony. The affect the Faith Militant (if they are allowed to prevail with their power) will have irony if they ever perform a Synod on her, Jaime, Tommen and Myrcella. Again though, it would have more power if we knew better what her line of thinking is.

    Posted by Fluids, 22/05/2015 8:26pm (4 years ago)

  • Last time I posted here, I was praising the series, especially how they handled diverting from the books. But after few episodes, I'm not high on praises as much.

    I didn't like that they killed off Barristan, because his character wasn’t utilized much in the show. It seems the purpose of his death is to make way for Greyworm and Missandei romance. I like the two but no GOT! I know what you are trying to do there, get us attach to those two characters, make them fall in love, only to kill one or both of them. I'm a book reader, but this series either diverted from the books or got the material from the books that still have to be published. Before that Barristan had to step aside for Daario so he can do the whole urinating on the ground after killing a horseman with one blow. Why can't Barristan do that? Kidding!

    Onto the latest episode, what brought it down was the whole scene with Sansa, Theon and Ramsay at the end. Voyeurism is the right word I was looking for. You would think the show runners learnt their lesson with the whole Jaime and Cersei rape/not rape from last season. I’m glad the show didn’t go exactly like in the books, but there was major difference in the whole Winterfell story from the books, which I won’t go into, book readers know what I’m talking about.

    The whole Loras' squire and his only evidence is his a birthmark doesn’t hold up well. Loras and co. could say that his squire seen him naked at one point to dress him. But instead of using his brain, Loras stupidly launch himself towards the squire. Not the brightest blub that Loras.

    My biggest gripe is the Dorne storyline. I was salivating at Jaime and Bronn teaming up because I thought it had the potential to be great, but this episode showed it wasn’t. First of all, they broke into the place with such ease. Anyone who wants to invade Dorne can forget about sending an army, just send a dozen troops dressed as Dorne guards and you can cause mayhem. The fighting was particularly bad. I still have to find one person who thought it was good and I know a lot of GoT fans, both book readers and newbies. The Ellaria and Sand Snakes must be kicking themselves that they wasted so much time before going ahead with the plan. Jaime and Bronn decided to go to Dorne this season, while they had plenty of time. I noticed Bronn suffered a cut. Other times, it's not a big deal, but remember that the Sand Snakes are daughters of Oberyn who uses poison on his weapons. Is Bronn doomed? I’m a book reader, but like I said I genuinely don’t know if it’s something created on the series or material from GRRM’s upcoming books, so I'm in the dark as the next person. I hope Bronn doesn’t go, unlike Barristan, the character is utilized well in the series.

    This episode is easily the weakest of the season so far. I’m surprise that Bryan Cogman who usually writes pretty good episodes in previous seasons, wasn’t in top form with this one. I hope it’s just a blip and we’ll see better episodes. While my opinion on this season isn’t as high as it was, it’s far from bad, so I’m not yet full blown hating it like GRRM’s editor. Talk about one unhappy editor.

    Viewer score: 52 / 100

    Posted by Dave, 20/05/2015 12:35pm (4 years ago)

  • @Mareike: I understand your points and those are all valid criticisms. I would just say that I don't think the point of focusing on Theon is to make t abot his pain: he's not the focus. It's a device to convey unfathomable horror without actually depicting the act tself. The only thing one is left with is the horror of the act itself. The point of this seems to be: no matter what women do, this patriarchical, chuvnistic society makes women suffer before and even after they get some agency because the social norms of their world are set up that way. The bedding has built-in excuse for marital rape because the marriage is not valid until the brige and groom consumate.

    I think the scene informs characters like Theon as well: Reek does not know Sansa so Reek would not weep for her but Theon, as in Theon Greyjoy, does know Sansa and hence is distraught to see this innocent person be harmed in this way. It s still not truly altruistic because he could have felt something for all the innocent people he did not know personally but I think the point of showing us his reaction or almost lack thereof to the flayed men in the 3rd episode was to communicate that he is almost numb to these things by now except for the fear of this happening to him. Here, he feels sorry for someone other than himself and he can only do so because he starts to feel like himself again.

    This is all very disturbing material but I think this informs both of the characters because it seems that Sansa witnesses his reaction here, too.

    I think it is making a point about chauvnistic, patriarchal social values that trap women no matter who they are and what they do and I understand why they chose Sansa instead of a teriary character whose decisions we do not learn from her perspective in the books. This adds weight and gravitas to the situation that it would otherwise not have.

    Posted by Beric, 20/05/2015 5:35am (4 years ago)

  • Re: Sansa being raped (it's not rape-like, it's rape, let's call it what it is), I am mostly upset that the showrunners keep portraying so crassly and unnecessarily.

    They have taken Sansa from a timid girl who is afraid of everything to a manipulator-in-training, entering the viper's nest by choice to avenge her family. They gave her lines like "I'm Sansa Stark, this is my home and you can't frighten me" to Miranda and "Do you think I care what happens to you?" to Theon. Then to have Ramsay rape her and portray it the way they have immediately undermines her words. It shows us she should be (and is) scared & that Theon's pain, what happens to him is important - else why focus on him at the end?

    I understand they didn't want to show the rape in even more graphic detail but they could just have Not. Shown. It. Like the next day Miranda tries to gloat at Sansa and Sansa remains defiant because she is a survivor. Or the next day, Theon tries to ask is she's well (already a brave step from his POV) and she shuts him down because he started the chain of events & facilitated the wedding.

    Posted by Claire, 20/05/2015 1:00am (4 years ago)

  • My winner for this week's GOT: Lady Olenna: Calling Cersei a Tart! Now that person has balls! She kills the King and then gets away with that. If she's ever caught for killing Joffrey she will go down swinging her fists no doubt! :)

    Posted by Fluids, 19/05/2015 6:08pm (4 years ago)

  • Speculation on the Temple of The Faceless Men:

    Here's my best guess:

    I believe the whole temple room with the pillars is alive. The bodies are brought to a receptacle where the bodies are placed and then they are absorbed into the organism and the essence of the individual absorbed shows up as a living face in one of the pillars.

    The faceless men have a receptacle as well in the shape of a face. When they pledge themselves to the faceless god they place their face in that receptacle and their essence and face is also stored in one of the pillars. This allows them to try on any face they wish later on.

    Posted by Fluids, 19/05/2015 5:54pm (4 years ago)

  • This is exactly what I was afraid was going to happen when Sansa went back to Winterfell.
    When the wedding between Sansa and Ramsay was announced, it was to be expected that something like this would happen and that it wouldn't be pleasant for Sansa. So this is not a surprising turn of events. But the scene still didn't feel necessary for the story to me. We know who Ramsay is and what he does, this doesn't add anything to his character. Sansa has been victimized for the better part of five seasons now. This girl has been through enough trauma to last her a lifetime, do we really need to add rape to that list? She also has enough reason to hate the Boltons and to want revenge, there's no need for another inciting incident if that is what this is supposed to be for her.
    I do appreciate that they didn't show the act itself, especially not in a way that could be titillating to anyone. I also wouldn't have liked to look at Sansa's face for any longer. The solution to that could have been to cut to black earlier. We know what is happening, we know this is horrible, do we really need to linger on it? Instead we focus on Theon's face and the scene suddenly seems to be about him and his pain and there's nothing I could care less about in this situation.
    On top of that, this whole situation still doesn't feel like Sansa's plan to me. It's Littlefinger's, he more or less talked her into marrying Ramsay to avenge her family. Watching that scene on the hilltop a few episodes ago, it struck me how big Littlefinger's head and his hand on Sansa's tiny face were, taking up most of the screen and comletely overpowering her in that moment. Sure, she went along with it and they both couldn't have known just how horrible Ramsay really is, but now Sansa is the one who's stuck in this mess.
    I could change my mind on this, depending on how this is handled in the coming episodes. But if this incident turns out to be less of a plot point in Sansa's story, and more of one in Theon's, causing him to take action or rebel against Ramsay or something, especially after he let it happen, I will be very angry. Sadly, Game of Thrones does not have the best track record when it comes to telling these stories so I honestly doubt it.

    Posted by Mareike, 19/05/2015 4:50pm (4 years ago)

  • I'm curious as to their use of the word "virgin" in the show. I know it would be difficult to create different measurements, weights, colloquialisms for an alternate world and I appreciate the crossover but the "virgin" element is obviously connected to the whole Jesus story and a key part of modern culture so I felt they should've maybe gone for another euphemism like "untouched" or "unflowered" or something and we would've cottoned on.

    What a coincidence that the Sand Snakes and Bronn and Jaime both went for Myrsella at the same time! Elyria Sand does not convince me at all; she comes across like a pouting cartoon villain most of the time and the Snakes are not developed enough for me to care a jot about them as yet. The battle scene contained no sense of threat or tension as I never believed any of the combatants were in danger of being mortally wounded.

    I know the show is constrained by time and cost but I would love to see them branch out ever so slightly and check in on some characters we have not seen for a while: Walder Frey, Blackfish, Edmure, Gendry, Beric, Thoros, Osha and Rickon etc just to start tying up some loose ends.

    Viewer score: 71 / 100

    Posted by Peter Riegler, 19/05/2015 1:49pm (4 years ago)

  • I think there were some relly great moments in this episode but the Donre stuff is hit and miss at this point. I like Bronn singing the Dornishman's Wife as the third song on the show, which is always good. But The Sand Snakes are a bit one-dimensional at this point. Areo Hotah and Doran Martell are interesting though.

    I think Cersei is that dumb and petty. All she sees are the slights against her (both real and imagined) and her decision-making is hence really bad and impulsive. I really like how she pretends to write like Tywin, get a clue lady. Olenna was great as always and the look she gave Cersei at the end definitely spoke words. Littlefinger has in one fell swoop arranged for him to win no matter who comes out on top whilst ensuring himself deniability and immunity to some extent. I wonder whether he was asked to convince Olyvar to testify against Loras, since he worked for him. The High Sprrow definitely seems to be a man of hard justice here and Tommen's indecisiveness is understandable, if probematic for all involved: he is asked to intervene in matters that go well beyond him at this point. The only adviser he has left is his mother and that's not helping....The point of all of this is that Cersei does not care about anything except her short-term gratification, which makes her a bad ruler because the saftey of her kingdom is not her primary concern. All she cares about is loyalty to her and she does not seem to realise the implications of this at all, most likely because she doesn't believe anyone to be a threat to her.

    The Tyrion/Jorah scenes were wonderful too in their energy and wit. At first I wondered how Tyrion might have known aboyt jeor's death but when Samwell sent the ravens in episode 10 of season 3 I remember Davos telling Stannis that he had received a message from the Night's Watch that claimed that Jeor Mormont went North and ever made it back and since Tyrion was still on the small council until season 4 episode 3 he would have gotten wind of tht as well. It also means that Jorah has now literally nothing to live for except Dany and desperation can be dangerous. I hope the irony of being sold into slavery was not lost on Jorah, as it ws certainly not lost on the audience. I believe greyscale is contracted only if one touches the infected part of the body so Jorah should be fine until the disease spreads to cover his entire body.

    Arya's scenes embodied the essential theme of this episode: the difference between truth and lies as embodied by all the pairings in the episode: Bronn and Jaime disguise their true identity by wearing Dornish clothes and discover that what they thought to be the truth (Myrcella in peril) was actually not borne out by the facts of the situation. Tyrion and Jorah both admitted truths about themselves and their past to each other without deception. Cersei's rats nest is so full of corruption and stink even Olenna could smell it a mile away whilst the truth gets found out through deceit. Finally, Theon seemingly resurfaces in a moment of horror n which Ramsay reveals to Sansa the truth about himself but fails to realise the truth she's telling about Tyrion.

    This now brings me to the big controversial scene and I'm going to say that this was totally necessary and I understand why the choice ws made to hve Sansa be in this position. In the books a different character in Theon's chapters goes through this scene, although it is much worse because Theon is actually forced to participate in it and the girl is about 12 as Ramsay thretens to cut his tongue out if he refuses. The show decides to NOT show whatever Ramsay does to Sansa because showing the vile nature of the act is not the point: it's the emotional response by both people involved that is very much the focus. Theon has continuously shown signs of his old identity the longer Sansa has been around him ('Sansa..LADY Sansa'; 'Theon Greyjoy, he was her father's ward') and none of this makes this point clearer than his tears at the sight of watching someone Theon grew up with being sexually violated in this manner. Reek has no connection to Sansa and hence would not care but the fact that the person we see as Reek/Theon is crying shows that he does care for her because he remembers her from his previous life and hence his identity strats reaffirming itself and this is as bad as it gets so if this does not bring him back, nothing will. It might also be important to note that this is not some out-of-the-blue thing: ever since Sansa decided to head to Winterfell we knew that there would be a marriage and hence bedding and Sansa knows that too, which is why the shot lingers on her face before she decides to marry Ramsay in order to get the plan in motion. She has been shown how cruel he is in episodes 5 and 6 this season (especially in her scene with Myranda) so she goes into the marriage with at least a notion of what could potentially await her and yet she decides to go through wth it for revenge. She could not have realised how vicious Ramsay was exactly and so he sexually abuses her as they start the bedding and here is another point the scene makes: Ramsay has the freedom to hide behind his customs nd traditions, while Sansa has to endure them, which drives home the argument of the sexism of Westerosi society quite well.

    The decision to put Sansa in this position might feel excessive or unnecessary but the show has in essence combined two storylines, one of which readers know nothing about at this point (Sansa) and so in an effort to condense the story and drive forward the development for both Sansa and Theon the show has decided to use a character the viewers have an emotional investment in rather than introducing a new character into Theon's storyline just so this could be done to her, which arguably would feel worse because the viewers have less attachment/investment in Theon and that other character as opposed to Theon and Sansa who are both main characters that have been with us from the very beginning. By doing so the show adds gravitas and weight to the issues and story elements involved here and are setting up for what is surely to be a very interesting development for Theon and Sansa, both of which have been the victims of much abuse on the show.

    This moment is a turning point in the book and it looks like it is likely to be so on the show as well. At the same time I cannot fult people for feeling bad after watching it but the scene did not leer on Sansa but was preoccupied with putting Theon as a stand-in to the powerless audience: watching but never able to intervene in the fates of these characters. It ws incredibly tense, well-acted, well-shot and horrifying but contrary to last year's mess-up this is very deliberate and very necessary. Showing is not endorsing nd while it is not pleasant to wtach, I don't assume the breakdown of societal order to be pretty to behold. It was significantly TONED DOWN from wht they could hve chosen to shoot and it feels like this has been built up from the moment Petyr got that note in episode 1 of season 5.

    Sansa in the books has also been threatened sexually very often (the Hound, Ser Dontos and a singer called Marillion all stalking her and harrassing her, Littlefinger kissing her against her will, almost getting raped at the riot in King's Landing, Joffrey threatening to rape her at Tyrion's wedding and just usually physically abusing her.

    Bryan Cogman who wrote the episode said after episode 3 that he does not believe in artificial linear story arcs and so in that context this might mke sense but then I guess anyone would be pretty terrified in Sansa's situation. However, I will finally say that Sansa has shown more strength and courage and notably agency than ever before: she goes through with the marriage despite knowing how horrible it is for her in abstract and then once she finds out what Ramsay is reall like. She tells off Myranda and says that she cannot frighten her, an unprecedent moment of self-assertion and in lmost no time she figured out exactly what made Myranda tick, too. Ultimately, her decision is given lots of weight and importance because it is not only important for her but for almost all the other storylines connected to this one as well. It remains to be seen where her character goes from here.

    I understand why people might be upset at this though. This might start to pile on but it did not feel exploittive to me because the etire plotline had led up to this, even though we would have preferred the show not to use this but it is important both thematically and for the characters. Hence, I stand by my initial impression: this was an effort to condense and streamline the story and have the storylines connect as opposed to the ever expanding scope of the world in the books.

    I wonder with all the attention this scene is getting how noone noticed the snow in Winterfell....winter is coming.

    Viewer score: 85 / 100

    Posted by Beric, 18/05/2015 9:18pm (4 years ago)

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    Poor, Poor Sansa! This for me was one of the worst things I have had to sit through with this show…EVER. Is this intentionally meant (not only to torture Sansa and Theon, but also) as some sort of fourth wall torture of the audience as well by Ramsay Bolton and the show runners)?

    Alfie Allen playing Reek/Theon well captured how horrible Sansa’s rape scene was; as well as the vicious cruel nature of Ramsay Bolton (which I am already well acquainted with). His violently remorseful reaction to Sansa’s treatment gives me hope that Theon is still alive somewhere inside of that retched creature and he will do *something* to avenge Sansa in the future. (SEE the Unknown) Or does it? What exactly does Theon have to experience to snap him back into the man he once was? If this doesn’t change Theon then why was this necessary for the show to do?
    I already despise Ramsay and have wanted him dead for seasons and I want Sansa to persevere and have seen her suffer through a succession of humiliating manipulative psychos; one more isn’t adding anything for me.

    It makes sense that Lady Olenna would go to King’s Landing instead of Queen Cersei going to High Garden. I am just confused because it sounded like Queen Margaery told King Tommen she was going to High Garden.


    • They finally conveyed Jeor’s death to Jorah. I felt this brought Jorah closer to Tyrion.

    • It’s finally been explained that part of the Faceless Men’s orientation is to give up their hopes and dreams (and it appears their actual face.) It’s unclear how that’s accomplished, however it doesn’t sound good and it sounds permanent. Arya’s death list is part of her hopes and dreams so she would have to lose that and it doesn’t appear she’s ready to do that yet.

    • I love how Tyrion is still grounded with regards to magic and ruling and Jorah in his place. Although Dany has dragons he realizes that people are still flawed (regardless of magic they are still human) and she may not make a great ruler. Nor does her lineage guarantee she will be a good one either.

    • Sansa is firmly back as Sansa Stark (Bolton) the dye is washed out of her hair and she’s stopped running and accepted her old identity.

    • Best Lines: ‘We both peddle fantasies, Brother Lancel. Mine just happen to be entertaining’ and Lady Olenna’s ‘the famous Tart Queen Cersei’.
    • Little Finger’s dancing lines with Cersei “One’s choice of companion is a curious thing” (about her incest) and then Cersei’s lines about Lysa Arryn’s death and his newly found title as counselor of Lord Robin.


    • Sansa’s Wedding Night (SEE Thoughts). The way it was done assaults the audience as well as the characters IMO. It could have been done differently with the same emotional impact. They could have shown Sansa the next morning; trying to console herself to no one; all alone.
    • Myrcella’s rescue was weak sauce for me. Wouldn’t the guards who interrupted the attempt double abduction know who the Sand snakes were? Why would they have to introduce themselves? The head guard knows who Ellaria is. He should know who Prince Oberyn’s daughters were right? (I am sure they hung out there before.)
    • Turning on Roose using Sansa I expected. However, I am a bit surprised Cersei isn’t adamant about sending an army out to Winterfell (especially with having bounties out for Tyrion’s head.) Ser Kevan isn’t a coward. Why is she letting his belittling of her power get in the way of getting what she wants? She could use Tommen to order Ser Kevan back to King’s Landing and to then take a force up to Winterfell very easily to deal with Roose right? I found this inconsistent with her fierce vengeance for anyone causing Joffrey’s demise.

    • Tommen speaks up to his mother about her being at King’s Landing and then when his wife gets thrown in jail he doesn’t lift a finger to stop the Faith Militant?


    • What exactly are Unbowed, Unbent and Unbroken?
    • How does Jaqen know Arya was lying or telling the truth?
    • Is the Faceless god tapped into life like the Three Eyed Raven is with a thousand eyes and one?
    • Are the columns and the faces in the great room of the Faceless Men alive?
    • What happens to the bodies to get them into the columns?
    • Do the waters of the Temple help transform the dying?
    • Is the same water used in the washing process?
    • Do the Faceless men give up something or become part of the faceless god in order to become someone else? Does washing the dead aid in Arya’s transformation? (Is it from external exposure to the same water as drank by the dying?)
    • Does Arya wish to become someone else instead of a Faceless Man or is that part of the process of becoming a Faceless Man (first to become someone else before becoming no one?)
    • What is the point of the game? Is it to be true to yourself so when you put on another’s identity, then it is seamless to the rest of the world? (I am speaking of the scene where the other girl tries to convince Arya she’s noble born from a Westerosi House.)
    • Is the show trying to show how inconsistent Cersei is about ruling? She’ll listen to Little Finger about not sending out a force to get Sansa and Roose Bolton, however she’ll throw the financing of the Crown into the toilet just to put Margaery in Jail?
    • Why didn’t Tommen lift a finger to stop the Faith Militant from incarcerating Queen Margaery? Who controls the King’s Guard? Cersei or Tommen?
    • How long will be before there is a synod for Cersei, Jaime, Tommen and Myrcella?
    • Is Theon Greyjoy still in there somewhere or is he truly broken? Will he help Sansa get out of the situation?
    • Will anyone alert Little Finger about Ramsay’s treatment of Sansa? Will Sansa take matters into her own hands and ask for help from Brienne (the candle) or Little Finger (a raven or sympathetic Northerner acting as a messenger)?
    • Will Little Finger actually send troops to march on Winterfell? (I speculate if he does, he will wait until Stannis attacks and then send his army after the victor to secure Winterfell.)

    Viewer score: 58 / 100

    Posted by Fluids, 18/05/2015 7:28pm (4 years ago)

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